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Moon of Alabama / "Fake News" About Trump Continues Unabated

"Fake News" About Trump Continues Unabated

Clinton makes some twenty different issues or person responsible for her loss - everyone and everything except the DNC, her staff or herself. But a campaign that did just enough to get the states it thought it needed and not one bit more was going to lose no matter how much money it would spend. Shunning progressives and implausibly blaming Russia for her own mistakes did not help either. Clinton failed as a politician and presidential candidate. She just isn't good enough in those roles. It is as simple as that. But now another culprit responsible for her loss is rolled out. "Fake news" that somehow was not censored out of social networks.
But "fake news" was and is a daily occurrence even in major media. What were the "Saddam's WMDs" stories if not fake news? The Clinton campaign spread fake news about Sanders. The news about Clinton's email were (mostly) not fake even as she claimed otherwise.
My personal impression is that there was more fake news about Trump than about Clinton. The NYT, like most other mainstream media, was so much off from reality that its publisher now wrote a letter to request that staff "rededicate .. to the fundamental mission of .. journalism". He thereby admits that the NYT had failed as a news organization. 
But there is no rededication, neither in the NYT nor elsewhere, that I can see. The fairy tales about and around Trump seem not to stop for a minute. It will be claimed in top headlines that Trump will make John Bolton or Rudy Giuliani Secretary of State, lunatic Frank Gaffney will be his advisor. Trump wants security clearances for his children! Of course hardly any the active promoters of such nonsense will put the official denials of these lies on top of their pages or mention them at all. Poltico today told me that Wall Street is celebrating the Trump win, implying that Clinton would have been much better. Trump received some $5 million in donations from the finance sector, Clinton received $105 million - guess why.
Trump wants to abandon a No-First-Strike policy for U.S. nuclear weapons is one current scare (650 retweets!). That is a policy the U.S. never-ever had. Obama, like Clinton, rejected a NFS policy. How could Trump abandon it?
Trumps wants to register all Muslims? The National Security Entry-Exit Registration System was introduced in 2002 and only applied to visitors and residents from majority Muslim countries. In 2011 the system was phased out because it was "redundant" - some other system currently holds the data of mostly Muslim in the U.S.  The no-fly-lists are largely lists of Muslim - even four years old ones. Obama waged drone war in seven countries and bombed five. All were majority Muslim. So what please could Trump actually do to Muslim people that would be worse than what Bush or Obama have done?
Trump is a racist and his voters are white supremacists is a fake news claim that is still rolled out on a daily base. The facts do not support it. If they were true why did he get more votes from blacks and hispanics than Romney or McCain?
Why not take Trump for what he is? A fast talking salesman, born too rich, but politically a centrist who long supported Democrats and who will simply continue the political path Clinton, Bush and Obama created and walked before him. There is some hope that he will be less "globalist", neoconned and belligerent in his foreign policy but that still needs to be proven. On many of his announced policies there will likely be more Democrats in Congress supporting him than Republicans.
The man should be attacked on his politics and policies whenever that is justified. There will plenty such opportunities, especially with his economic and tax plans. Instead we get a daily dose of fake news about Trump this or that and one scare story after the other.
Is it so difficult, or even impossible, for journalists and media to "rededicate" themselves from feverish pro-Clinton and anti-Trump advocates back to (semi-)serious reporting?
That would be bad news for everyone.
Posted by b on November 17, 2016 at 01:25 PM | Permalink
Ukraine blames...RUSSIA for prankcall that..apparently was critical of...RUSSIA and that RUSSIA deleted..makes sense? lol
Posted by: ZIMMMER | Nov 17, 2016 1:44:23 PM | 1
The question then becomes: would America be a better, or a safer, place if the entire angry part of its population had again, and still, been ignored by everyone? Or is it better to have them gathered under the umbrella of Donald Trump? Take your pick. Don’t be shy
Posted by: john | Nov 17, 2016 1:46:12 PM | 2
The plethora of Fake News continues to bury media organizations that already had very limited public credibility--the icing on the cake provided by the State Department spokesman's insolent branding of RT as deserving different treatment as it's not the "same" as other news media--it demands proof for extravagant, provocative claims and publishes truths instead of "Fake News."
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 17, 2016 1:58:52 PM | 3
So, b, is it fake that Trump is a sexual predator or is that "fake news", too?
How far will you go to keep burnishing this human piece of garbage?
Or should I ask WHY are you burnishing this human piece of garbage?
You may think he's a centrist politically - I think not but we'll see - but he's definitely a human piece of garbage that was among other things good friends w/ a man Jeffrey Epstein(yes, a friend of Bill Clinton, too!) who regularly employed underage girls for sex parties and which he even joked about.
Is that fake too?
And with all of the electoral fraud YOU do NOT KNOW that Trump did or did not win more black and hispanic votes this time around as some many people were disenfranchised.
Seriously, you think you're smarter than the average bird but you're coming off like a know-nothing, fascist German moron.

Posted by: Ron Showalter | Nov 17, 2016 2:18:27 PM | 5
Gee its great to have Ron Showalter on the site, so he can offer his daily quota of ignorant observations and insults.
The more exposure MoA gets, the more trolls it attracts.

Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 17, 2016 2:20:25 PM | 6
What is so difficult for people here to understand that the majority of people who voted in the US - and even more if it wasn't stolen - did not want this piece of garbage to be our leader EVEN IF HRC was also a terrible freaking person?
All of the Bernie-bros thought a vote for Trump would help bring about the end of the system. It certainly was NOT to give Trump a fair shot at being respected or listened to.
How did nihilism somehow morph into fascist fan-boyism?
Posted by: Ron Showalter | Nov 17, 2016 2:27:08 PM | 7
reply to #7
I think your assumption on the votes some clarification:
Hillary Clinton did NOT win a majority of the popular vote, her opponents did. Clinton won 47.7 percent of the popular vote, not 50 percent plus one. That means that 52.3 percent of the voters supported someone else as President. Further Donald Trump also won 30 states compared to Clinton winning only 20 states plus the District of Columbia. Further Trump won 24 of his 30 states by more than 50 percent of the votes, while Clinton won only 14 of her 20 states by over 50 percent.

Posted by: frances | Nov 17, 2016 2:53:39 PM | 8
“What is so difficult for people here to understand” is not really difficult for people here at all; except for the disruptive trolls who don’t seem to understand their own self-serving projections for what they are; The adage “what you don’t seem to understand” in truth implies the accuser’s own lack of understanding. Grow up Ron and study a little psychology to try to understand yourself a little better.
Posted by: juannie | Nov 17, 2016 2:56:16 PM | 9
leave it to number seven to show up and crap on a reasonable conversation. how did he take the time off from his soros paid, starbucks fueled, protest invective in front of trump towers.
Posted by: Ruben Chandler | Nov 17, 2016 3:03:27 PM | 10
Ron Showalter
Obviously b are talking about the actual fake news - or do you have evidence showing in the actual cases b brought up to be wrong?
Posted by: Lemmu | Nov 17, 2016 3:15:41 PM | 11
5 & 7 Ron Showalter
Hey, calm down there buddy. Deep breaths, in with the good, out with the bad. The votes are in. The Don won. Rigged MSM polls didn't hurt The Don, they hurt Hillary - no one got out of bed to go to the races. Game over.
You gotta lighten up a little there old soldier... If Trump could win, against all odds, against the money, against the media collusion, against the establishment, against the neocons, against rampant neoliberalism, against the bookies, against his own party...then surely that is a sign that democracy is alive and kicking, right...? Go grab a beer.
The amount of libtard hystericals getting about is unbelievable. They really were under a deep, deep MSM spell. The denial and anger phase looks very nasty.
Posted by: MadMax2 | Nov 17, 2016 3:19:23 PM | 12
thanks b, for hammering away at this.. it bears repeating.. as @3 karlof1 points out and which i pointed out on the previous thread - the usa state dept is so knee high in bullshit, along with the majority of media related people, right on down to the gutter as expressed thru the NYT, WAPO and WSJ - they can't see straight, even if it's pointed out to them..
yes - begin with the wmds of saddam and continue on in that rut - it is what american presidents do now.. is there a chance trump will be different? he is going against the grain and it will be an uphill slog, but it would be good if the naysayers gave the guy as chance.
@6 perimetr.. indeed, if you've seen one jackass, you've seen them all.. our local resident troll ron showalter fits the bill plaguing moa for the time being..
Posted by: james | Nov 17, 2016 3:22:57 PM | 13
The finance sector and the medias that they support are having problems digesting the 105 millions wasted on Hillary.
Then how many readers have decided that MSM was a waste of money and cancelled their subscriptions? Who takes seriouly CNN or the NYT or the Guardian who have hysterically supported their pathetic candidate by demonizing Trump?
People have become highly suspicious of news and 'analysis' from the MSM...
Trump has opened the eyes of the americans to the manipulation of information that the MSM commonly practiced and is not usually exposed.
It has now been exposed and the relation with the media will never be the same anymore. They have lost their credibility for a long long time
Posted by: virgile | Nov 17, 2016 3:24:07 PM | 14
Interesting alternative news search engine www.goodgopher.com
Posted by: ALberto | Nov 17, 2016 3:25:56 PM | 15
more popcorn
Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 17, 2016 3:26:00 PM | 16
ot - killary pac = ron showalter is a better guess..
Posted by: james | Nov 17, 2016 3:29:07 PM | 17
hahaha - james you're even more pathetic than jfl -
Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 17, 2016 3:31:26 PM | 18
I'm merely enjoying the Ronnie/Rufie-vs-Reality show.
Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 17, 2016 3:33:51 PM | 19
Republican Electors Are Being Called Upon To Vote Their Conscience, Not For Trump
cos . .
    There is uncontrovertible evidence, apparently, that there was indeed foreign intervention in our elections, either directly or indirectly.
. . . claims the idiot KillaryBot @ Crooks&Liars.com. He probably means "Russian foreigners" rather than, say, "Israeli foreigners"
Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 17, 2016 3:40:32 PM | 20
Perimetr, get with the programme FFS. For such a sophisticated RuASF name you sure seem to be a bit en retard, so to say.
Shallowater>>> that thing is scary. I am starting to believe that the Trumping caused such a catastrophic pseudleft libtard short circuit (= long circuit??) that a fully formed persona split away from Rufie and is now in full denial of any potential links to himself. A bit like Hillary genuinely believing that it was Donald Trump who said "We Came, We Saw, He died!" of Qaddafi, while she in fact rode that bear with Volodya.
Posted by: Quadriad | Nov 17, 2016 3:45:23 PM | 21
Posted by: Lozion | Nov 17, 2016 3:46:52 PM | 22
Yes, b. It is very frustrating when the media (which brags about being "most trusted news source") takes things Trump has said and then twists them. He said that some illegals bring crime (and some are good people) and this has been twisted to him saying illegal immigrants (as in ALL) are bad guys. And they're still doing it.
But now Google and Facebook have said they're going after fake news as in their own version of censorship. And youre right that real bad news on Clinton has been ignored or minimized like her accomplishment with Libya or that industry gave her campaign 25 times as much as to Trump's.
I use this chart from the Fortune magazine article (Open Secrets and FEC) that shows $250 mill to HRC and less than $10 mill to Trump.

Posted by: Curtis | Nov 17, 2016 3:59:03 PM | 23
"...is there a chance trump will be different? he is going against the grain and it will be an uphill slog, but it would be good if the naysayers gave the guy as chance..."
Posted by: james | Nov 17, 2016 3:22:57 PM | 13
There is every chance. This is because the MSM is operating against Trump in a way that the MSM should have been operating against G.W.Bush, against Obama's covert war abroad and upon his own people.
Where was the MSM in collective outcry when Barry'O signed the NDAA into effect a minute before midnight one New Years Eve...? Indefinite detention without charge for all...!! What a greasy fukker...but not a peep from the MSM. All very hush-hush...all very fascist. Corporate media...corporate anything...all on board. And liberals are proud of this guy...? What a snake.
But The Don won't be able to get away with that in his 1st term. No no. Only today it was reported he took a dump before eating a ham sandwich instead of talking to the press at lunchtime. This is news. (?)
The 4th Estate retain special freedoms that are meant to be a check upon power. Over the years they have been slowly eroded. Obama's war on whistle-blowers' was pretty sadistic... but, under Hillary the medsubversion of the MSM would have been complete.
Hysterical libtards don't understand the bullet they just dodged... and the MSM will either have total faith lost or find it's adversarial balance on power.
Posted by: MadMax2 | Nov 17, 2016 4:07:03 PM | 24
Good point Maddie. I too reckon Don will have to allow the spirits to calm down a bit to create some space for some real chistkas behind the curtains.
Hiring an "ex" Goldman Sachs bitch boy or two for a couple of top spots might create such an environment of plausible revolution denial, while keeping the banksterim calm, at least for a while. Everything needs to look legit for the first year or two. I'd personally start with cleaning up the supreme court - that Ginsburg lizard needs to be replaced with someone a bit less foreign loyalty-ish, dual citizen-ish let's say.
The only downsides is that the most short-fused among the Tea Party-ists might get the cold feet real early, even feel betrayed. Which, as long as kept under check with symbolic anti-illegal moves, and going a bit tougher on the Saudis (is there anyone with half a working brain that genuinely believes Trump has anything against Latinos, even "illegal" ones, in general?).
In the short to medium run, even support for Bibi's fascist day to day excesses might increase. The Zio frog must be calmed down first, and only then slowly microwaved.
Posted by: Quadriad | Nov 17, 2016 4:22:37 PM | 25
Its the daily posting on Trump at MoA that's wearing me down. b keeps pointing out that we need to wait until there is actual news on Trumps actions before we comment on him ... he needs to eat his own dogfood on that one :)
Posted by: jfl | Nov 17, 2016 4:22:59 PM | 26
Ron Showalter said (on the October 9th thread, comment #2):
...Trump is done and the longer it takes for you and the rest of the fake-left - both domestically and abroad - to get their heads around that fact, the longer the rest of us have to witness the frightfully shameful mental contortions your Trump-love takes.
Please stop. It's one thing to have to deal with shallow and inaccurate fake-left analysis without a healthy dose of butt-hurt b/c Hillary will be POTUS.
Grow up and quit being a victim of the US propaganda arsenal

the irony here is quite exquisite, the Trump-hate quite contorted.
Posted by: john | Nov 17, 2016 4:25:01 PM | 27
A limerick on watching the news
Be careful of sources you choose
For many are fake
With claims that they make
Like, "Hillary Clinton can't lose"
H/T: The Limerick King
Posted by: Cynthia | Nov 17, 2016 4:28:31 PM | 28
@25 Quadriad
Yeah, the one thing Trump needs to get right early is the re-introduction of the rule of law. The public, his supporters, his detractors will forgive a lot if they see a more top down approach to the application of the law, and not just law for the peasants... and I'm not talking about HSBC getting slapped a 20million dollar fine for price fixing 5billion. Hell, he can probly purge most of his detractors with a return to the law.
And it's an easy win. DC is so riddled with corruption by forces at home and abroad that even a moderate application of the law is gonna be great PR for The Don.
Sites like this and honest journos are begging for real stories like that - corrupt bankers, dirty politicians, war criminals in suits. Plenty of easy wins there.
Posted by: MadMax2 | Nov 17, 2016 4:45:15 PM | 29
I love it! Defenders of Killary and the Trumper are still at it! You'd think their opinion matters. It doesn't ... or at least no more and no less than my own. B makes some decent points ... and some one tries to twist it around. Then the twister is in turn twisted and the games continue.
What ultimately matters? Neither one ... the oligarchs are still in control ... no revolution to rid us of the much less than 1% ... rape of the planet continues ... people are dying because some body wants what little they may have ... and the planetary virus (humans/us/you and me) is killing the planet. And we sit on our haunches and do what?
Dither ... !
Gotta love it!
Warm on the Llano Estacado today ... another record hot month in the making. No one cares: not the dems, not the reps, certainly neither oligarch approved candidate in the latest quadrennial masturbatory event in the US. and certainly not the citizens of the most venal country ever ... . So, I guess that means little or no hope long term.
Posted by: rg thr lg | Nov 17, 2016 4:46:27 PM | 30
I have seen many elections and this one is a doozy. Our Silicone Valley has come up with a great idea. They, yes they will censor fake news. That just what I want Google and Facebook, Twitter the giants of honesty will take a close look at the news and clean it up. Schmidt the idiot can't it take the lost especially after changing code for only "good Hillary stories."
It about time we ll look for a good search engine and let Google go to the dust bin. Or maybe I should try and get a job picking out the fake news could be fun. First, and I'm not kidding they would be a blank NYTimes......since it's all bullshit from front to back. Their publisher, not the guy from Mexico, but he did save the paper, told the staff in no uncertain terms to adjust their thinking what ever that means. Also many of its good reporters has taken buyouts and the snowflakes they have hired just don't cut it.
Posted by: hal | Nov 17, 2016 4:57:32 PM | 31
Actually Existing Fascism
"Rather than face up to the fact that Hillary Clinton has little appeal outside of Goldman Sachs and whatever the Project for a New American Century is called these days, Democrats are cursing Sanders fans, third-party voters, and non-voters with a hatred usually reserved for vegans. Since they can only imagine their own upper-middle class lives orbiting major urban centers, the loudest Democrats think that everyone who’s not exactly like them is a racist, woman-hating cretin, and hope “that they be educated and moved to the vicinity of the major hubs in the northeast and western parts, that they die off [or] that a country would attack the United States and obliterate them.”
Rather than actually learn anything of substance, liberals are doing the only thing their politics really involve: sharing and commiserating over an extremely circumscribed set of insipid pop-culture references that flatter them and insulate them from reality.
Those leftist critiques of Obama or Clinton that do manage to penetrate this fantasy-world get angrily dismissed as right-wing media conspiracy theories or Kremlin propaganda. And finally, as with any good whitewash, liberals are going to pretend that Donald Trump represents something totally alien and uniquely menacing, as though Obama hasn’t done everything Trump says he will.
And now, as soon as humanity has its first shot at finally being rid of the Clintons, and taking a small step back from the brink of ultimate atomic horror, these people want to gnash their teeth about America finally becoming fascist.
Fuck them.
If Trump is a fascist, them countless prominent American liberals are too, chief among them the widely beloved Barack Obama. Contemporary America doesn’t look like Nazi Germany for the simple reason that it isn’t Nazi Germany (J. Sakai argues that “Settlerism filled the space that fascism normally occupies”). What the Democrats offer is a slightly more “woke fascism,” in which the slave-owning settlers are remade in entertainment media as cool black guys, with all the “problematic” racist history elided via a harmonious multi-ethnic makeover.
It’s worth noting that Donald Trump makes overtures to the same woke fascism as Obama and Clinton: after the Pulse nightclub massacre, Trump promised to defend “the LGBTQ community” from foreign attackers. In other words, Trump and Clinton alike promise a typically colonialist defense of liberal values like gay rights from the swarthy hordes.
So color me unim-fucking-pressed that now that a blatantly villainous Republican is headed for the White House, everyone is talking about a united front against fascism. Of course, given that the vast majority of the newly radicalized loved and still love the child-murdering white supremacist Barack Obama, what we’re talking about is a just another united front against the GOP.
I know it’s ancient history to be talking about the Bush years, just like it’s hopelessly passé to unironically talk about “imperialism” in 2016, but please indulge me. I remember back when George W. Bush was president, torturing people around the world, “shredding the Constitution,” attacking Iraq and Afghanistan and threatening Iran with nukes. At the time, it was pretty common, even popular and fashionable, to call the president a fascist. Even on TV! Everyone who wasn’t a Republican was radical: it seemed like Democrats and communists alike could gripe over everything from a stolen Florida election to the invasion of Iraq.
Then sometime around 2007, a neoliberal and fundamentally conservative mediocrity named Barack Obama showed up, and while he made a lot of noise about how different he was, there was almost nothing of substance to back it up. Once he was president, all the stuff that was proof of George W.’s fascism became a trifling issue, a simple mistake, or a regrettable necessity when Obama did it. As Obama continued George Bush’s legacy, and as Dick Cheney came out in support of Hillary Clinton, liberals stopped thinking of the Bush administration as a fascist criminal enterprise and started seeing it through Sorkin-colored glasses, with a George Bush-Michelle Obama hug at the twilight of the Obama presidency marking the decisive transition."
Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 17, 2016 5:01:34 PM | 32
Luciana Bohne
12 hrs · https://www.facebook.com/luciana.bohne.1
Dear Americans,
I understand some of you are very worried about the election of Donald Trump. But I want you think about this:
First they went for Yugoslavia, and you didn't worry: a country died
Then they went for Afghanistan and you didn't worry: 220,000 Afghans have died.
Then, they went for Iraq, and you didn't worry: 1 million Iraqis died.
Then they went for Libya, and you didn't worry: 30,000 to 50,000 people died. Did you worry when Qaddafi was murdered with a bayonet up his rectum? No. And someone even laughed.
Then they went for Ukraine, and you didn't worry: 10,000 people died and are dying.
Then they went for Syria, and you didn't worry: 250,000 people died
Then they went for Yemen: over 6,000 Yemenis have been killed and another 27,000 wounded. According to the UN, most of them are civilians. Ten million Yemenis don’t have enough to eat, and 13 million have no access to clean water. Yemen is highly dependent on imported food, but a U.S.-Saudi blockade has choked off most imports. The war is ongoing.
Then there is Somalia , and you don't worry
Then there are the countries that reaped the fallout from the collapse of Libya. Weapons looted after the fall of Gaddafi fuel the wars in Mali, Niger, and the Central African Republic.
Now you are worried about yourselves, but there are only the dead and their survivors left for whom you didn't speak up for.
Give me one reason why anybody should worry about you, who seem to believe that only you count because you are Americans.
My very best wishes for your precious safety and comfort and may you continue to look in the mirror and see no one there. Trust me, a mirror does not lie.
One who does not worry about you.
PS By the way the butcher bill I am here presenting is very conservative on the body count and does not include the wounded, the homeless, the refugees, or the cost of the wars to you, who continue to believe that before Trump the world was a nice and comfortable place--for you.
Posted by: Killary PAC | Nov 17, 2016 5:18:20 PM | 33
Collapse of Complex Societies by Dr. Joseph Tainter
Posted by: okie farmer | Nov 17, 2016 5:35:10 PM | 34
@ 33 Great comment, but remember the tribe. French revolution, Marxism, Russian revolution, Israel, neoliberalism. I am from the hard "Grapes of Wrath" left. Marxism was a brilliant Jewish ploy to split the left, then identity politics. Oh, they are so clever and we are so dumb...

Posted by: Lochearn | Nov 17, 2016 5:35:11 PM | 35
@ Lochearn
Nice continuation of the Killary Pac comment. I want to take it further.
Since the Marxism ploy to split the left the folks that own private finance have developed/implemented another ploy to redirect criticism of themselves/their tools by adding goyim to the fringes of private finance to make it look like a respectable cornerstone of our "civilization".
Oh, they are so clever and we are so dumb...
Eliminate the social cancer of private finance and unfettered inheritance or continue to repeat history to assured extinction.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 17, 2016 7:07:27 PM | 36
@ 36 Thank you psychohistorian. I have always identified with you and know exactly why you go on about private finance but I feel that it goes over the heads of most people. I have just spent the last five years investigating the concept of shareholder value in a sort of late PHD. Take care, my friend...
Posted by: Lochearn | Nov 17, 2016 7:21:01 PM | 37
b said.. "The man should be attacked on his politics and policies whenever that is justified".

Thanks b, that's the long and the short of it. Everything else is just theater.
Posted by: ben | Nov 17, 2016 7:52:56 PM | 38
i am glad i was wrong about bolton
Posted by: rememembereringgiap | Nov 17, 2016 7:53:27 PM | 39
It's a frightening thought. Were the tribe also responsible, together with the ghastly English aristocracy for WW1 and WWII. Everything I know and have had experience of German people is that they are among the greatest people I have ever met.
Posted by: Lochearn | Nov 17, 2016 8:18:57 PM | 40
@Alberto 15
"Goodgopher" is not an "alternative" search engine; it is focused on ultra-right conspiracy and hate sites.
But if those are your interests, gofer it.
Posted by: AntiSpin | Nov 17, 2016 8:35:43 PM | 41
For those who were worried about Kerry. He's back from Antarctica and having constructive talks with Lavrov in Peru...
Posted by: dh | Nov 17, 2016 8:57:28 PM | 42
Thank You b for this excellent analysis.
MSM against Trump didn't stop at all after the election.
Important to monitor that. So much at stake.
Posted by: From The Hague | Nov 17, 2016 9:32:34 PM | 43
Clearly, NOT R'Giap posting.
Yet more transparently pathetic ID theft ... *sigh*
Posted by: Outraged | Nov 17, 2016 9:36:29 PM | 44
Nicely done. The other image that I find humorous is the dancing W at the Dallas police killings memorial.
Posted by: stumpy | Nov 17, 2016 9:37:19 PM | 45
>>>>virgile | Nov 17, 2016 3:24:07 PM | 14

The finance sector and the medias that they support are having problems digesting the 105 millions wasted on Hillary.

No they're not - that is chicken feed to them. A few hundred dollars each out of their bonuses will cover that, perhaps the cost of a meal out.
Posted by: Ghostship | Nov 17, 2016 10:01:11 PM | 46
At least with Trump I expect him to talk crap but Obama talks crap as well when he should know better:

The values that we talked about -- the values of democracy, and free speech, and international norms, and rule of law, respecting the ability of other countries to determine their own destiny and preserve their sovereignty and territorial integrity -- those things are not something that we can set aside.

The unbridled hypocrisy makes me want to puke.
Posted by: Ghostship | Nov 17, 2016 10:09:56 PM | 47
@ Ron Showalter 5

Are you still here? How dare you insult our host? Now get off our lawn and stay off. No drinks for you.
@ 33
Bravo Killary PAC. Well said.
Posted by: likklemore | Nov 17, 2016 10:53:22 PM | 48
Hillary did not listen to Bill. Alphabet Schmidt’s software Groundwork, Mook and Podesta ran the show.
Barflies this is rich. Ed Klein knows well.
Bill Clinton: It’s Hillary Fault, Not Comey’s
BY EDWARD KLEIN/ November 15, 2016
In the waning days of the presidential campaign, Bill and Hillary Clinton had a knock-down, drag-out fight about her effort to blame FBI Director James Comey for her slump in the polls and looming danger of defeat.
“I was with Bill in Little Rock when he had this shouting match with Hillary on the phone and she accused Comey for reviving the investigation into her use of a private email server and reversing her campaign’s momentum,” said one of Bill Clinton’s closest advisers.
“Bill didn’t buy the excuse that Comey would cost Hillary the election,” said the source. “As far as he was concerned, all the blame belonged to [campaign manager Robby] Mook, [campaign chairman John] Podesta and Hillary because they displayed a tone-deaf attitude about the feeble economy and its impact on millions and millions of working-class voters.
“Bill was so red in the face during his conversation with Hillary that I worried he was going to have a heart attack. He got so angry that he threw his phone off the roof of his penthouse apartment and toward the Arkansas River.”
During the campaign, Bill Clinton felt that he was ignored by Hillary’s top advisers when he urged them to make the economy the centerpiece of her campaign. He repeatedly urged them to connect with the people who had been left behind by the revolutions in technology and globalization.
“Bill said that constantly attacking Trump for his defects made Hillary’s staff and the media happy, but that it wasn’t a message that resonated with voters, especially in the rust belt,” the source explained. “Bill always campaigned as a guy who felt your pain, but Hillary came across as someone who was pissed off at her enemy [Trump], not someone who was reaching out and trying to make life better for the white working class.”

“Hillary wouldn’t listen. She told Bill that his ideas were old and that he was out of touch. In the end, there was nothing he could do about it because Hillary and her people weren’t listening to anything he said.”

Posted by: likklemore | Nov 17, 2016 10:57:18 PM | 49
Ironically, major mass media play a critical role in the Clinton loss even though it was fully in for Clinton. In attacking literally everything Trump said 24/7, people learned about his positions. But this did not leave much oxygen left in the room for Clinton's (phony) positions. Sort of an archetypal news day was how terrible Trump was on cutting taxes. Well, there, you know what Trump stood for. The countervailing stories were that Trump and his followers were sexist, racist, and Putin puppets, so vote for Hillary. What did she stand for again? I once counted on a very liberal and heavily viewed liberal website 26 anti-Trump stories. One or two positive Hillary stories all claiming support for her because she had a vagina. AT the end of the day, more people knew more about Trump than Clinton.
One position that people probably knew about Hillary was that she hated Putin (and China). Wikileaks counted the most mentioned subjects in the debates and it was Putin and Russia. That was on Clinton. And apparently on the one position she really staked her election, people who voted didn't give a shit. The voters in WI, PA, MI, Ohio, and FL certainly did not seem to care.
Posted by: Erelis | Nov 17, 2016 11:09:40 PM | 50
#32 Killary PAC
Hiding behind LGBTQs, Jews, Brown people etc has it's direct benefits.
It puts the real minorities in the role of a canary in the coalmine.
When the lynch mobs come for the elites, all they find at first are obvious minorities, so they go for the low hanging fruit and lynch LGBTQs, coloured minorities and Jews first.
The elites sing a silent "Hava Nagila / Praise YHWH / Hail Satan! " and use the commotion to escape to safety (presumably, places like New Zealand). Problem solved, another "house negro" minority needed to replace the one previously sacrificed as the elite escape pod!
It's quite clever. Until the minorities decide to refuse to volunteer to human-shield the elites.
Posted by: Quadriad | Nov 17, 2016 11:13:18 PM | 51
likklemore | Nov 17, 2016 10:57:18 PM | 49 -- Wow. Just wow.
I must admit it made me feel a bit more respectful of Bill. She managed to ignore the advice of the Comeback Kid? Not the sharpest knife in the drawer. And dull knives tend to lead to more injuries.
Posted by: jawbone | Nov 17, 2016 11:29:17 PM | 52
ghostship @ 47 said: "The unbridled hypocrisy makes me want to puke."

That's the operating principal at work today in the U$A. It's marketed to the masses in bucket loads by the mass media, and most of our "rulers". Yep, barf!
Posted by: ben | Nov 17, 2016 11:36:18 PM | 53
"non-corporate insight"
Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 17, 2016 11:48:51 PM | 54
Arrogant, shameless, authoritarian Crybaby:

Michael Signer is the Mayor of Charlottesville, Virginia, an attorney, and a lecturer at the University of Virginia.
The Electoral College Was Created to Stop Demagogues Like Trump
"If these men and women live up to that noble goal on Dec. 19, they will truly make American great again."
Posted by: From The Hague | Nov 17, 2016 11:58:15 PM | 55
@ jawbonw 52
I posted another comment that ended up a no show. It could be the link to the piece at Breitbart.
In this radio interview Ed Klein is with b. He had 5 top reasons for HRC’s lost:
Klein laid out his top five reasons for why Hillary Clinton lost the election: “Number one, Hillary. Number two, Hillary. Number three, Hillary. Number four, Hillary. Number five, Hillary.”[.]
Klein was unsurprised to see Mrs. Clinton playing the blame game after the election. “Have you ever known Hillary to take responsibility for anything?” he asked.[.]
“At every turn of her life, she’s pointed accusing fingers at other people for her own self-made problems. This certainly, this campaign, she was the general of the campaign. She lost the war. She should take the responsibility,” he said.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~
And Ed Klein does not see Chelsea continuing the dynasty. She doubled down on her mother’s dna.

Posted by: likklemore | Nov 18, 2016 12:00:07 AM | 56
Likklemore @ 49, Jawbone @ 52:
That example of Killer K's meltdown shows just why she's unfit to be President: she doesn't listen and she blames everyone else for things going wrong (but want to take credit for when things are going well).
Posted by: Jen | Nov 18, 2016 12:05:50 AM | 57
Interesting read from Glen Ford of Black Agenda Report:
Posted by: ben | Nov 18, 2016 1:01:15 AM | 58
The US has voted against global hegemony. That was their choices. A do or die effort for global hegemon under Clinton, or a controlled descent to a regional power/world power among others under Trump.
Though the neo-con passengers are in a panic and may cause the aircraft to crash rather than glide in for a controlled landing. Either way I don't care, so long as the US goes down.
Posted by: Peter AU | Nov 18, 2016 2:14:46 AM | 59
We now have reports of Electoral College electors getting death threats over their voting for Trump.
The Clinton Mob at its finest.

Posted by: Greg Bacon | Nov 18, 2016 3:20:35 AM | 60
Nobody from America was looking...
Posted by: dan | Nov 18, 2016 5:37:39 AM | 61
The Israel Firsters sense an opportunity to get their man into Trumps foreign policy team. They are plugging Bolton for all it is worth. As always, the Israel Firsters will switch sides at the drop of a hat in order to benefit Israel. I hope Trump is deliberately keeping shtum in order to let the people who need to be drained show their hands.
Posted by: Yonatan | Nov 18, 2016 6:23:43 AM | 62
hey Cynthia @ 28! lol
since gwot was spawned
folks've mostly yawned
while for some with a blog
it's been a long slog
but talk of mission creep
was just fodder for sheep
"the hill's too steep,"
they cried
and went back to sleep

Posted by: john | Nov 18, 2016 6:30:39 AM | 63
The successor of Susan Rice:

Hasan (Interviewer) (From 11.15 onwards into the interview): “In 2012, your agency was saying, quote: “The Salafists, the Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Qaeda in Iraq [(which ISIS arose out of)], are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria.” In 2012, the US was helping coordinate arms transfers to those same groups. Why did you not stop that if you’re worried about the rise of Islamic extremism?” Flynn: “Well I hate to say it’s not my job, but… my job was to ensure that the accuracy of our intelligence that was being presented was as good as it could be, and I will tell you, it goes before 2012. When we were in Iraq, and we still had decisions to be made before there was a decision to pull out of Iraq in 2011, it was very clear what we were going to face.”
Hasan (Interviewer): You are basically saying that even in government at the time, you knew those groups were around, you saw this analysis, and you were arguing against it, but who wasn’t listening?”
Flynn: “I think the administration.”
Hasan (Interviewer): “So the administration turned a blind eye to your analysis?”
Flynn: “I don’t know if they turned a blind eye. I think it was a decision, a willful decision.”
Hasan (Interviewer): “A wilful decision to support an insurgency that had Salafists, Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood?”
Flynn: “A wilful decision to do what they’re doing… You have to really ask the President what is it that he actually is doing with the policy that is in place, because it is very, very confusing.”

Former US Intelligence Chief Admits Obama Took “Willful Decision” to Support ISIS Rise
Posted by: From The Hague | Nov 18, 2016 7:06:06 AM | 64
Obama support nazis at the UN:
"US votes against UN resolution condemning Nazism"
Posted by: POL | Nov 18, 2016 7:25:33 AM | 65
"President-elect Donald Trump has named retired Lieutenant General Michael Flynn as his new national security adviser, according to a close source. The former DIA chief has been criticized in US circles for refusing to take an anti-Russian stance."
Posted by: x | Nov 18, 2016 7:30:36 AM | 66
Obama going full speed with anti-russian tour in the EU, he seems to do everything to block Russia/US peace.
Posted by: POL | Nov 18, 2016 7:50:32 AM | 67
Well said as usual.
Certainly we still don't really know what Trump is going to do.
But because the corporate media is STILL attacking him, that does suggest that he is not poised to do an Obama and stab his supporters in the back.
The day that the NYT starts saying nice things about Trump is the day to worry.
Posted by: TG | Nov 18, 2016 8:54:05 AM | 68
Funny how no one is talking about how few american actually voted in this election. According to the stats less than 60 percent of the voting-age population voted in this election (as has been the case for quite a few election cycles). So it would seem most voting-aged american humans have decided that neither candidate was for them and they stayed home. Maybe it's true that many of us have realized government doesn't give a shit about us and we decided not to vote because it's slightly better to be raped by someone you didn't support than to be rectally violated by someone you supported...
Killary PAC @ 32, 33. Well done!
Posted by: David Shinn | Nov 18, 2016 9:13:00 AM | 69
Donald Trump appoints Congressman Mike Pompeo as CIA director
The 52-year-old is known for his vocal opposition to the Iran Nuclear Deal
Mike Pompeo ‏@RepMikePompeo 23 hours ago
I look forward to rolling back this disastrous deal with the world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism.
Posted by: From The Hague | Nov 18, 2016 9:24:19 AM | 70
@8 Frances. 'Hillary Clinton did NOT win a majority of the popular vote ...', and neither did Donald Trump, their opponents did.
That's the bottom line here. Neither one of the candidates can achieve a majority ... unless there were a run-off election.
Trump has 46.69% of the vote. Hillary has 47.75%. We collective 'others' have 5.55%.
46.69% + 5.55% = 52.24%, 100% - 52.24% = 47.76%
47.75% + 5.55% = 53.36%, 100% - 53.36% = 46.64%
We others have prevented either of the 'effective' candidates from being effective. Neither can gain a majority vote. Neither one is legitimate. Neither one is my president, or yours.
That's the take away here. Trump is the 'occupant', the 'resident', there is no popularly elected president.
There are  718 days from Friday 18 November 2016 to Tuesday 6 November 2018.
There are 1446 days from Friday 18 November 2016 to Tuesday 3 November 2020.
There are 2181 days from Friday 18 November 2016 to Tuesday 8 November 2022.
There are 2909 days from Friday 18 November 2016 to Tuesday 5 November 2024.
There are 3637 days from Friday 18 November 2016 to Tuesday 3 November 2026.
There are 4372 days from Friday 18 November 2016 to Tuesday 7 November 2028.
In the course of the next 6 elections we can develop our own facilities in each of our 170,000+ polling precincts, registering ourselves, authorizing our own paper-ballot votes, authenticating our own results, and running multiple primaries of our own to establish our own platform and to choose our own representatives, to then elect our chosen representatives in the 'real' elections and so to garner majorities in the House and the Senate and to capture the White House and to effect our platform. That will be a peaceful revolution. Once we hold power in our hands we can fix our electoral process, provide for direct democracy - at least on a 'break glass in case of emergency basis', to sever the connection between wealth and power in our representative government - and/or do anything else we've decided to do.
Until we do that we'll be shaking and jamming the pin-ball machine of our unrepresentative government, 'tilting' it, having to wait to put another coin in the slot at the next round, so we can shake and tilt it again, just as we have to now. In 12 years I'll be 81 ... Social Security expects to have to pay me until I'm 84 ... I don't want to disappoint them. I want to party from 81 to 84, in my 'golden years', nourished by the fruits of our own self-determination, delighted that I was able to contribute my drop to the undeniable tide that truly bouyed all our boats, worldwide.
Posted by: jfl | Nov 18, 2016 9:31:15 AM | 71
jfl @26:eat his own dogfood
b's continued coverage is very appropriate because the DNC/neocons have not given up as you can see @55 and @60.
The spin that "most of America" wants Hillary, the blaming of Comey (who has been tarred as a right-wing stooge), and the incitement to protest are all part of an effort to de-legitimize Trump and intimidate electors.
And, if they can't change the outcome via the Dec. 19 electoral college vote, I think they may try to force Trump to crack down on the protesters after he is sworn in.
The Democratic Party couldn't co-opt the Occupy Movement so they shut it down. Now they are trying to re-create it as a Democratic Party/MoveOn controlled Movement.
<> <> <> <> <> <>
Instead of closing ranks with the corrupt Democratic Party, progressives on the left should start fresh and beware of those that would co-opt the integrity of their Movement.
A good first-step: recognize Sanders as the sheepdog that he was.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 18, 2016 9:46:32 AM | 72
From The Hague @64
That 'willful decision' was made by neocons under Bush as described by Seymour Hersh in 'The Redirection'.
Obama and Hillary continued to support extremists as a tool of State because they are 'tools' themselves.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 18, 2016 9:54:05 AM | 73
David Shinn @ 69
yes David, i've been trying to make this point lately. the 45% of eligible voters who didn't vote comprise the largest political bloc in the USA. i suspect that this 45% are also, for the most part, the 45% of Americans who don't pay federal income tax. also, this 45%, being mostly of pretty modest means, aren't consuming as much, aren't taking on as much debt(the Northeast and West Coast hold the highest average credit card debt), and aren't joining the military.
thus there is a clear mandate for non-compliance in America today.
a catalyst is missing.
Posted by: john | Nov 18, 2016 10:00:15 AM | 74

Is it so difficult, or even impossible, for journalists and media to "rededicate" themselves from feverish pro-Clinton and anti-Trump advocates back to (semi-)serious reporting?
It is impossible, because there is no such thing as journalism, as it used to be called, left. Most of those who populate today's "main-stream" journalism field are ideologues (in most cases very badly educated) who are not in it for reporting actual news. Journalism in its current form is nothing more than prefabricated "opinions" of people with "degrees" in English (German, French, whatever language) or in other humanities field. We can observe results all around us.
Posted by: SmoothieX12 | Nov 18, 2016 10:17:02 AM | 75
rt has several qualified people, as mentioned above, positioned for his cabinet. Two are congresspersons, and that bodes well for a smooth transition - they will be qualified to impart their congressional experiences to a president who wants to learn. That's a good sign.
Not a good sign is Obama's rushing off to Europe to strengthen the damaging sanctions - some lame duck. Sort of reminds me of Ahab fighting the white whale to the finish. And we all know how that one ended up.
Just call me Ishmael.
Posted by: juliania | Nov 18, 2016 10:23:44 AM | 76
By 'his' I mean President-elect Trump, of course.
Posted by: juliania | Nov 18, 2016 10:27:24 AM | 77


"A fast talking salesman, born too rich, but politically a centrist..."
In us-american terms you mean? Problem being that center is located very much on the right, even compared with all the post war presidents.
By the way, yesterday Obama issued a threat against Tronald. He said he will probably not last long as president...) What will the Tronald do, when the economy eventually crashes? Won't he do a little world war just to regain endorsement?
Otherwise I agree with you B.
Posted by: Pnyx | Nov 18, 2016 10:43:42 AM | 79
Le Monde yesterday had an interview with Flynn where he states that bombing Syria in 2013 after "Assad has used chemical weapons was a big mistake". Strange.. it 's not what we read of Flynn in English, isn't it?
Posted by: Mina | Nov 18, 2016 10:57:37 AM | 80
STILL, too soon to tell which way " the Donald", will govern. Does he opt for things that benefit the bulk of the American people, or does he opt to chase the policies that benefit the interests of big money (Globalism)? My take favors the latter course, but, we'll see.
Posted by: ben | Nov 18, 2016 10:58:58 AM | 81
"implausibly blaming Russia"
To imply that countries as well as individuals do not try to hack into other nation's networks is silly. I'd be disappointed if Russia did not buy data from the internet, then release it into a quasi-nonpartisan journalistic "release".
Putin has made no secret about supporting Trump. Just as the US does, he has no qualms about attempting to "participate" in another nation's elections.
Posted by: Bardi | Nov 18, 2016 11:04:20 AM | 82
I spent more than an hour at a fairly large news-agent in CH.
These shops sell papers - the Intl EU/eng press is well covered, La Stampa, El Pais, NY Herald Tribune, Financial Times, Guardian, Hurriyet (Turkey), and so on. Zero from China, India…, and have a HUGE selection of magazines in F, D, Spanish, English, Italian and more. From the very pop mainstream - *Voici*, a gossip ‘pipole’ in F, people mag — to specialist mags like Architectural Digest, about yachting, knitting, forestry, space exploration, etc.
-> The Swiss are the no 1 world consumers of magazines, reportedly.
The MSM ‘serious news’ - is continuing its Trump bashing with unabated vigor via its fake news / spin.
Recent ex.: when DT was 'elected', the main ‘serious’ F lang CH paper published on the front page a column about 1/8 of the page, title: Trump elected in a disunited America and that was it, not even one picture. They had spent the previous week publishing ‘holy’ - subject is alone, looks noble, handsome, humble, light shines on them from above and so on - pictures of … Obama! (-> Avoiding Killary I presume.)
Anwyay, almost all the pop generalist mags now feature Trump (plus and/or wife, family) on the cover and the articles are ‘factual’ and laudatory. Sure it all makes for a nice saga, real-estate-devp mogul, golf, TV, several wives, etc. Melania is afforded star status, her clothes, the languages she speaks, etc., the best First Lady ever. The youngest boy is all over the place, too cute. Page after page.. No doubt I will see them once more at the dentist in 5 months from now.. The only pol. point brought up is alignement with Putin/Russia, “we love Russians” ..
I have never seen such a split before. Never.
A new term is coined in these articles: ‘Trumponomics’ with positive connotations. (What it means is not detailed, just the ‘new’ thing.)

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 18, 2016 11:11:22 AM | 83
Bardi @ 82: Absolute truth! Good take.
Posted by: ben | Nov 18, 2016 11:12:25 AM | 84
Trump may discuss secretary of state job Romney
Posted by: okie farmer | Nov 18, 2016 11:37:07 AM | 85
jfl #71 - bother yourself and study the laws behind U.S. elections. Your naivete is glaring -
"Trump has 46.69% of the vote. Hillary has 47.75%. We collective 'others' have 5.55%."
46.69% + 5.55% = 52.24%, 100% - 52.24% = 47.76%
47.75% + 5.55% = 53.36%, 100% - 53.36% = 46.64%
The general election is ONLY about electing Electoral College members to cast their votes before congress in December. The general election vote has nothing whatsoever to do with a 'collective' popular vote and it never has for a presidential candidate.
Whichever Party candidate WINS the MAJORITY, at least 270, of the Electoral College votes is the winner, that is unless the vote is challenged before congress, which is extraordinarily doubtful. Thus, the general election is ONLY about electing Electors who must win the POPULAR 'State' vote., 50+1, NOT the presidential candidate. Again, the general election held every four years in November is unrelated to the 'collective' popular vote. Get it?
Then you naively say - "We others have prevented either of the 'effective' candidates from being effective. Neither can gain a majority vote. Neither one is legitimate. Neither one is my president, or yours."
Poppycock! You are wrong. Winning 306 Electoral College votes is a mandate. There are 538 total EC votes. 270 is half of that and is what is needed for a presidential candidate to secure his/her win. Trump secured 306 - 36 more than needed. Those 36 votes represent 'States' where Trump's electors won the popular vote - 50+1. Get it?
And you talk about organizing for third party but aren't you a U.S. born citizen living in Asia? Or do I have you confused with another poster here?

Posted by: h | Nov 18, 2016 11:49:19 AM | 86
Trump needs to rid his team from these neocon warmongers,
Trump secretary of state contender says regime change ‘only solution’ in Iran
Posted by: Lovez | Nov 18, 2016 11:51:41 AM | 87
@Lochearn, The Soviets put Marx on their banners then proceeded to drive out successively the butt-hurt Whites and the Nazi beast. Some "split." Ditto the Chinese, the Vietnamese, the Cubans, for whom Marx's jewdihood was irrelevant. The only ones "splitting the left" are the pseudos like you.
Posted by: ruralito | Nov 18, 2016 11:53:53 AM | 88
Someone posted this RT vid on the last thread. It's message is something. Apparently RT is launching a new show titled 'Watching the Hawks' and this introductory vid certainly gets one's attention. Thanks to whoever it was who posted it...

Posted by: h | Nov 18, 2016 11:58:14 AM | 89
Glad Hillary didn't win, but that feeling lasted only a few seconds. Yes, we escaped the conflict with Russia, maybe? But, Trump will be the President to go to war with Iran, no doubt in my mind.
Posted by: relament | Nov 18, 2016 12:10:53 PM | 90
For b to say, in essence, 'can't we all just get along'? after the One Party beatdown that the Reds and Blues just experienced, and exactly as planned, are now *waterboarding each other* with the Red and Blue Koolaid 'shiney object' distraction of the voter scoreboard, which is entirely irrelevant, while completely ignoring Venezuela and India, as examples of what the One Party regime in WADC-NOVA has planned, is almost boy-scoutish. Let's raise three fingers on our right hand, and pledge allegiance to Donald and the Chosen Exceptionals that he and Rodham represent.
Posted by: chipnik | Nov 18, 2016 12:16:19 PM | 91
Mike Whitney has an article up on counterpunch.com about the coming fed implosion. Laymans can get the gist but Whitney does have a proper grounding about the financial sector, which should be music to psychohistorians ears.
Towards the end of the election, Whitney took on a more critical position regarding Trump, after singing hopeful praises about his candidacy during the primaries. Like many here, he bought into the "turd or douche" rhetoric that to me smacks of the safety of a nihilistic Cassandra position, although Romney/Obama '12 might have warranted this view.
It seems Whitney will get his wish, finally, regarding the comeuppance the fed is due. Economy will tank, hopefully, and we can begin to rebuild. Hard rain...
It seems like it should be getting harder for the naysayers to spout their divisive sophistry, especially with the appointment of General Flynn. But...they are doubling down with this fake - news censorship bs, so we should be ready for a fight. We are all Syrians, now.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 18, 2016 12:26:30 PM | 92

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