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Moon of Alabama The End Of Mingling - "Moderate Rebels" Join Al-Qaeda In Syria



The End Of Mingling - "Moderate Rebels" Join Al-Qaeda In Syria



Lots of confusion about the infighting in the "rebel" held Idleb governate in Syria, the situation is now clearing up. After other tricks, like renaming the group, did not work to deceive al-Qaeda finally pulled back the veil. 
It is no longer hiding between the "moderate rebels" but is now (again) a clearly identifiable groups. Groups near to al-Qaeda integrated with it, other groups split with significant parts joining the al-Qaeda organization.
Qalaat Al Mudiq @QalaatAlMudiq
N. #Syria: Tahrir Al-Sham Corps is born. Zinki, #JFS, Jaish Al-Sunna, Ansar Al-Din & Liwa Al-Haq merged under unified leadership (Abu Jaber)
The Zinki (Zengi) group had CIA support and received anti-tank weapons from the U.S. and its Gulf proxies. JFS is the short form of Jabhat Fateh al-Sham, formerly Jabhat al-Nusra, the official al-Qaeda group in Syria. It is the strongest "rebel" group on the ground. 
Abu Jabar is a former Ahrar al-Sham leader who had long argued for integrating both groups. 
The Turkish and U.S. supported Ahrar al Sham has now officially split
The probably larger part under Abu Jabar is now joining al-Qaeda.
The "new" Tahrir Al-Sham is not a coalition of the various groups but THE new al-Qaeda group on the ground with a unified command and ideological structure. 
The operative military leader is Abu Jabar while the founder of al-Qaeda in Syria, Abu Mohammad al-Julani, will stay in the background as the overall emir of the group. 
Tahrir Al-Sham has a military alliance in Idleb with the smaller local ISIS group Jund al-Aqsa. 
Joining with them is not (yet) convenient.
The now further enlarged al-Qaeda formation under the new name Tahrir Al-Sham is by far the biggest "rebel" dog in the Idleb-region town with now many more than its previous 10,000 active fighters. Of all other groups the "moderate" side of the split Ahrar al-Sham is the biggest one. 
Left beside it are just splinters of those groups (like Zinki) that mainly crossed over to al-Qaeda. 
Some local warlords and their small gangs are also still around. 
These groups will probably continue to receive Turkish and U.S. support. 
But they will have no chance against the much more powerful al-Qaeda collective.
The leader of al-Qaeda in Syria al-Julani made a huge mistake by initiating this open split from the "moderates". 
The group can now no longer hide by "mingling" with the CIA supported "moderates". When it is attacked by the Syrian government it can no longer claim to be a victim. As it is a UN designated terrorist group it will receive no significant outside support. 
It can not even go into guerrilla mode because the "fish" (the guerrilla) will have no "water" (a sympathetic local population) to swim in.
This plays well into the Russian hands which initiated the Astana peace conference exactly for this purpose. 
The U.S. under Obama and Kerry had declared it impossible to separate al-Qaeda in Syria from the "moderate rebels" it supported. 
The Astana conference and in its consequence the now open al-Qaeda conflict with the "moderates" achieved the separation. 
The "moderates" left now can only join al-Qaeda, make peace with the Syrian government and its allies or flee the country to survive.
In other news the Syrian government forces have finally recaptured the Ayn al-Feejah in Wadi Barada that supplies Damascus with drinking water. 5.5 million people were cut off from tap water when the Takfiris captured, poisoned and blocked the spring 44 days ago. 
After three earlier deals had failed the now defeated Takfirs agreed to being transported to Idleb.

Posted by b on January 28, 2017 at 02:56 PM | Permalink
Thanks to Trump, we may finally see the end of Al-Qaeda "mingling" at the points of entry into the USA. Let the Germans and French admit as much of this scum as they want, lol. Today is beautiful day.
Posted by: telescope | Jan 28, 2017 3:08:12 PM | 1
Takfiris blocked the spring? But Bellingcat said Assad barrel-bombed it, and those guys are smart. They use the intertubes.
Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 28, 2017 3:10:45 PM | 2
And in an on-topic note, what does this mean for the so-called Turkish SDF? They were mostly al Zinki or turkomen (or both) - do they get a free pass because of the SDF thing, or are they with the Zinki freaks that joined Da Real al Sham? Now we have to separate the Tahrir head-choppers from the Turkish army before we bomb them. It's like playing Whack-a-Mole on drugs, for God's sake. Not that I would know... I mean, it's just an example. But it's just like that. Trust me.
Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 28, 2017 3:22:28 PM | 3
b, have you considered safeguarding the MoA Archive for future historical use? You should probably do so. I read about Friedrich Kellner earlier, who did OSInt work in Nazi Germany, and now is a valuable source on the question of how much people actually knew about the state of affairs. I was reminded of you.
Posted by: persiflo | Jan 28, 2017 3:30:43 PM | 4
I'm glad to hear that Damascus can look forward to an adequate supply of drinking water. One piece of good news is always welcome!
Posted by: Quentin | Jan 28, 2017 3:43:26 PM | 5
What a Pyrrhic victory taking back Wadi Barada from the rebels. Syria is rapidly running out of water. Back in 2007 there were water shortages that kept people from using the water much of the day. The groundwater in Syria has been exhausted through the irrigation of cotton fields, an export crop. On top of this, climate change has created a drought that has lasted for the past 8 years, worse than California's. The only way to sustain development in such a semiarid terrain is to adopt drip irrigation and even to begin using desalinated sea water but that would require an enormous capital expense that the Baathists can ill afford. The nation has been bankrupted by 6 years of war and doubly compromised by Rami Makhlouf and other crony capitalists salting away money in Panama banks. Assad will be ruling over a corpse basically. None of this was necessary. If the Baathists and their rich bastard supporters had accepted some other servant of their interests to rule the country, that would have mollified the opposition. But this guy was such a zealot that he delivered on the promise of his supporters: "Bashar or the country burns".
Posted by: Louis Proyect | Jan 28, 2017 3:50:24 PM | 6
@3 The part of Zinki that Turkey is babysitting in the north merged with Faylaq al-Sham.
Posted by: Jesrad | Jan 28, 2017 3:59:34 PM | 7
Poor Louis Proyect. Your side is losing badly. Now all you can do is whine that Assad is guilty of not preventing the terrible drought. Unfortunately, you and your foolish comrades supported Jihadists and their head chopping allies who would have purged Syria of it Christian, Alawite, Shiite, druze, kurd, etc citizens in order to install the perfect Wahabbi (is that now another Trotskid sect?) that could have led the entire ME into a perfect utopian future consisting of an internationalist worker vanguard.

Posted by: ToivoS | Jan 28, 2017 4:15:41 PM | 8
b, 'Tahrir Al-Sham is by far the biggest ... with now many more than its previous 10,000 active fighters.'
so how many 'fighters' does the new, amalgamated al cia duh of syria actually have? how does that compare with daesh? i have the feeling that al cia duh is now larger than and perhaps better supported than daesh? al cia duh is supported by the eponymous cia and gcc? daesh still draws from those same two fonts? the turks are running all those who don't fit into al cia duh or daesh? or are on sabbatical, or just moonlighting?
will tee-rump continue the us support for terror - both directly through al cia duh and indirectly through the gcc?
i know that last is t-h-e question.
Posted by: jfl | Jan 28, 2017 4:23:09 PM | 9
@8, ts, 'internationalist worker vanguard'
aka the dictatorship of the proletariat ... the nomenklatura ... the jacobins. indistinguishable in practice from the salafist capitalists.
Posted by: jfl | Jan 28, 2017 4:27:11 PM | 10
Louis 'the clown' Proyect proffers the fake-ist of fake news. A mere change of leadership would not have satisfied the foreign head-choppers.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 28, 2017 4:33:34 PM | 11
One thing is for sure about 99% of al-Qaeda leadership and its financiers will still enjoy freely traveling into amerika since Trump's 'muslim' ban has left Saudi Arabia off his list. The order is apparently aimed at Shia, you know that mob who abhor suicide bombing and killing civilians. I guess Donny's mates in the oil industry had a quiet word eh.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 28, 2017 5:10:56 PM | 12
Louis Proyect, what artful dribble. ToivoS has it right. But let's add some details:
Without ISIS and other jiahdi terrorists, what would Syria look like today? Deir Ezzor would have been a center of trade between Iran and Syria and Iraq. Iran and Syria had planned to link up their power grids in Deir Ezzor; Iran was also going to extend its railway system into Syria. And there was that joint Russian-Iranian-Syrian plan to pipe Iranian gas to Turkey and the Mediterranean, eventually supplying Europe. Economic growth and prosperity.
But Israel and Saudi Arabia and Qatar couldn't handle that vision. The GCC countries have large Shia populations, mostly on top of their oil fields - they might demand democratic representation. And Israel, well, they're run by paranoid nutcases sitting on a massive arsenal of nuclear weapons, they're trying to banish all Arabs to South African-style Bantustans, and yet are in dread of Iran? The House of Saud, their ally, lives in perpetual fear of replacement by parliamentary democracy and so finances radical nutcase Wahhabist-Salafi terrorism all over the region.
Meanwhile Trump bans visa travel from a set of Muslim countries not implicated in ISIS terrorism! Strange. I found this funny comment about that via Google:

Maybe Iran should negotiate with the Trump organization to build a Trump Towers in Teheran and a golf resort in Shiraz. Just think of the marvelous carpets that could decorate the club house. Then, perhaps, they’ll get the same consideration as the Saudis from the current Administration. - Sic Semper Tyrannis.
At the very least, we should put Iran on the same basis as Saudi Arabia, and Israel, well, send them some psychologists and therapists?
This leaves one problem: what to do with all the crazy foreign fighters who've entered Syria and joined Al Qaeda and ISIS? Maybe Putin can re-open the Siberian gulags? Kinder, gentler gulags, of course. Healthy exercise, decent food, calming surroundings?
Posted by: nonsense factory | Jan 28, 2017 5:35:31 PM | 13
Hard to say what this means, really depends on what Trump will do. If he really changes course, maybe it was not so much a 'huge mistake' as part of the plan: Washington needs new 'facts on the ground' if it wants to adopt a new Syria strategy.
Anyway...I had always wondered whether Ahrar al-Sham and JaN were actually two separate entities, or rather the same thing with different flags, to be used according to the situation. Maybe will never know.
Posted by: smuks | Jan 28, 2017 5:39:36 PM | 14
ToivoS@8, Jackrabbit@11, nonsense factory@13
Sorry, but Louis Proyect@6 is basically right. I would only argue that Whether the Baathists replaced Assad or not is immaterial. The greedy psychopaths were ill-equipped psychologically to set aside profitable export schemes for a few years and deal with the drought. One could almost argue that Assad was actually opposed to the Baathist mafia on this one point, but far too meekly to make any difference. There were a whole chain of apparently bad decisions that lead up to 2012. This isn't the sole reason for Syria's dismal state at the time, but it's a pretty representative symptom.
Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 28, 2017 6:11:07 PM | 15
FSA and "moderate" are brand names that Syrian rebels and terrorist use when they operate under U.S. command or with U.S. provided weapons. "FSA" may be little more then the name of weapons warehouses and the logistic network that moves them to Syria.
If FSA closes shop as a result of the Trump presidency, then the end of the "moderate" branding is inevitable.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 28, 2017 6:30:36 PM | 16
Oh? And what is the expected role of their masters: CIA, Mossad, US govt (aka: deep state)?
I don't see them at the table, and until they are ... the only question is: If Syria is off the table for the time being ... who is next?
I'm betting Iran if the Trump is to be believed.

Posted by: rg the lg | Jan 28, 2017 6:37:18 PM | 17
So, is the Pink Revolution an attempt by the deep state to make the president (put in place by the deplorables) removed?
The lumpen have spoken ... not the elites/oligarchs are sponsoring revolution?
Fascinating ... ya gotta love it!
Posted by: rg the lg | Jan 28, 2017 6:57:37 PM | 18
jfl @ 9 said: "will tee-rump continue the us support for terror - both directly through al cia duh and indirectly through the gcc?"
THAT, my friends, is the main question. Is it not?
Debs @ 12 mentions another highly relevant fact:"One thing is for sure about 99% of al-Qaeda leadership and its financiers will still enjoy freely traveling into amerika since Trump's 'muslim' ban has left Saudi Arabia off his list."
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Looks like more smoke and mirrors.

Posted by: ben | Jan 28, 2017 7:05:25 PM | 19
Yes there was a drought. Yes it was handled poorly. But plans to destabilize Syria were outlined in 2006 as per Sy Hersh in "The Redirection". And at what point was Assad's departure demanded? My understanding is the protest movement was compromised from the start.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 28, 2017 7:23:12 PM | 20
ToivoS@8, Jackrabbit@11, nonsense factory@13
Sorry, but Louis Proyect@6 is basically right. I would only argue that Whether the Baathists replaced Assad or not is immaterial. Posted by: PavewayIV
Quite innumerate comment. There is an order of magnitude difference between providing adequate water supply to urban areas and to agriculture. I do not know if rainfall in Anti-Lebanon mountains (in the context of war news, Qalamoun) was severely affected by climate change, but it remains fairly high, and this rainfall feeds the flows captured in Wadi Barada. Combination of smaller rainfalls and Turks damming rivers that cross the border was a blow to traditional agriculture in Syria, but like Los Angeles and San Diego, Syrian metropolitan areas should not be threatened by thirst, in the absence of war, of course.
For that matter, Israel is en route to the elimination of Dead Sea, and to grabbing the last drop of water from West Bank, and thus it enjoys Pyrrhic victory at the moment, as it rapidly increasing number of people has to make it with slowly decreasing amount of water. People with foresight invest in the real estate in Chukotka: this winter is milder on the shores of Bering Straight than in Pennsylvania!
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 28, 2017 7:36:00 PM | 21
Sorry, but Louis Proyect@6 is basically right.
Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 28, 2017 6:11:07 PM | 15

Louis is a Christian-Zionist dickhead & Liar watching the Yinon-inspired fake "civil war" in Syria collapsing in front of his beady little eyes. The fact is that The Empire's attempts to delegitimise the popularly-elected Assad Government and transfer power over Syria's future to Washington and London's Banksters, has run into (Russian) 'headwinds' and The Empire hasn't the balls to salvage the SNAFU.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 28, 2017 7:47:03 PM | 22
Turkey has u-turned on Syria, therefore it has significantly reduced the funds it was providing to 'moderates' rebels intermingled with Al Nusra. On the other hand Qatar has reaffirmed that it will continue to fund Al Nusra as long as they fight Bashar al Assad.
Therefore to survive many moderates have moved to Al Nusra. The others are debating surrendering to the Syrian army or moving to Turkey. It is mater of time for the USA cracks down on Qatar. Al Nusra will collapse.

This is the political and military end of the 'moderates'.
Posted by: virgile | Jan 28, 2017 8:00:56 PM | 23
Putin and Trump agree to try to rebuild U.S.-Russia ties, cooperate in Syria - (Reuters)
... The most tangible outcome of the phone call, as the Kremlin described it, appeared to be what it said was an understanding that jointly fighting international terrorism was a priority and that the two nations should cooperate in Syria.
"The presidents spoke in favor of setting up genuine coordination between Russian and American actions with the aim of destroying Islamic State and other terrorist groups in Syria," the Kremlin said.
The Kremlin said Trump and Putin had agreed to establish "partner-like cooperation" when it came to other global issues such as Ukraine, Iran's nuclear program, tensions on the Korean peninsula and the Israeli-Arab conflict.
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 28, 2017 8:36:01 PM | 24
White House: Trump, Putin discuss working together on Syria, Islamic State - (Reuters) President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin talked about how they could work together on fighting Islamic State and achieving peace in Syria, the White House said on Saturday.
"The positive call was a significant start to improving the relationship between the United States and Russia that is in need of repair," the White House said in a brief statement about the hour-long call, released hours after it ended and long after the Kremlin gave its account of the conversation.
"Both President Trump and President Putin are hopeful that after today's call the two sides can move quickly to tackle terrorism and other important issues of mutual concern," the White House said.
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 28, 2017 8:42:29 PM | 25
# ben # 19 yeah I think we're both just basically pissing in the wind - they're not listening - still too in love with the orange man - while we're on that am I the only one who has noticed that the trumpet's hair colour has changed, from the pinky sorta Grecian 2000 tint to a straight presidential grey?
I said I would give the trumpet a go, that I wasn't gonna diss him until/unless he did something really stupid or egregious, this ban on students finishing their studies is just fucking wrong on so many levels that I'm down on the creep exactly as much as I was on Oblamblam or the shrub.
I cannot think of a single instance where anyone from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria or Yemen, the countries listed on the trumpet's 'executive order' has done anything even vaguely terroristic in amerika.
On the other hand I can remember a mob of examples of when people from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, Israel & Qatar have done bad shit that killed civilians.
Speaking of Qatar, AJ news this morning was side splitting stupid in it's effort to criticise the ban without mentioning the elephant. At one point when they were interviewing a youngish Muslim immigrant who is apparently a regular AJ talent, he made the point that the ban avoided any of the nations who had actually engendered people who committed violent political acts on amerikan soil. It was just in passing without naming names & he was extremely disconcerted when the idiot talking head said "So actual sources or terrorism have been left off the list, can you tell me what countries they are?" There was an uncomfortable pause while the talent simultaneously squirmed and thought then said "Russia!" semi triumphantly yet timorously the talent continued, "The Russians have never been made to answer for the Boston marathon terrorism that came from close to the Russian region".
So despite the Russians having warned amerikan Homeland Security about Tamerlan Tsarnaev and on many occasions they also pointed out that amerikan assistance to Chechen resistance was not being helpful, now the whole thing is Russia's fault? Gimme a break this is just the same old same old ass wipe lies used to support every twisted vainglorious and fucked up amerikan regime since 1776.
Leaving Saudi off the list while putting the poor bastards from Yemen on, leads me to conclude this is just gonna be the same shit as always. I doubt the cheques to al Qaeda are gonns be disrupted for a day.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 28, 2017 9:01:05 PM | 26
Obama’s administration made the “Muslim ban” possible and the media won’t tell you
"So I was outraged, and then I read the executive order. There are many full texts of the order online, such as at CNN, the NYT, the WSJ or Independent. According to most reports Trump was banning “nationals of seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the United States for at least the next 90 days.” This bars people from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen.
I had to see for myself, so I read the executive order.
But, wait a sec. According to the reports “The order bars all people hailing from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen.”
Critics had attacked Trump for selecting these seven countries and not selecting other states “linked to his sprawling business empire.” Bloomberg and Forbes bought into this.
But, wait a sec. I read the order and Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen are NOT mentioned in it.
Go back and read it again. Do a “ctrl-f” to find “Iraq”. Where is “Iraq” in the order. It’s not there. ONLY Syria is there. So where are the seven nations? Where is the “Muslim ban”? It turns out this was a form of FAKE NEWS, or alternative facts. Trump didn’t select seven “Muslim-majority” countries. US President Barack Obama’s administration selected these seven Muslim-majority countries.
The Department of Homeland Security targeted these seven countries over the last years as countries of concern...
Posted by: SR6719 | Jan 28, 2017 9:30:31 PM | 27
hoarsewhisper @ 22 said: " The fact is that The Empire's attempts to delegitimise the popularly-elected Assad Government and transfer power over Syria's future to Washington and London's Banksters, has run into (Russian) 'headwinds' and The Empire hasn't the balls to salvage the SNAFU.
You got it. b documented those goings on way back when. This was no grass-roots movement.
The Syrian snafu was caused by the empire and it's minions as part of it's quest for hegemony in the region.
Debs @ 26 said.."Leaving Saudi off the list while putting the poor bastards from Yemen on, leads me to conclude this is just gonna be the same shit as always. I doubt the cheques to al Qaeda are gonns be disrupted for a day."
Yep, IMO that's the litmus test for Mr. Trump. You can't seriously oppose "Terrorism", and not deal with Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: ben | Jan 28, 2017 9:54:11 PM | 28
Well whatever the executive order says, it seems to be people from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen who have been refused entry thus far. e.g. Two Iraqis traveling independently Hameed Khalid Darweesh and Haider Sameer Abdulkhaleq Alshawi were detained at JFK until the ACLU & other civil liberties organisations persuaded a judge to place a stay on their deportation so as to allow the paperwork from the trumpet's craziness to catch up with the actions the new regime has ordered.
Both these fellas are long term residents of amerika with families in amerika wondering WTF has happened to their loved one.
Whatever some stray blog claims, a Federal Judge is certainly of the opinion that the order applies to people from seven nations, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen, which is why she has issued a national stay against deportation for anyone from them : "who was in flight en route to the US when the order was signed and landed with a valid visa".
Now I will be the first to concede that the graun makes up a big mob of lies and runs plenty of bullshit opinion pieces to support their untruths, but fabricating then publishing something as easily checkable as a judge's decision is a whole new level of deception for the graun to try on. I don't reckon they would since a move like that has a totally untenable ratio of risk to reward.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 28, 2017 10:09:18 PM | 29
SR6719 | Jan 28, 2017 9:30:31 PM | 27
From SST.. "None of the countries are specifically named in the executive order. They are “countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12).”
Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 28, 2017 10:10:57 PM | 30
... So there was a Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015, two years before Trump? There was a kind of “Muslim ban” before the Muslim ban? But almost no one critiqued it in 2015 because it was Obama’s administration overseeing it. So for more than a year it has been US policy to discriminate against, target and even begin to ban people from the seven countries that Trump is accused of banning immigrants and visitors from. CNN even hinted at this by noting “those countries were named in a 2016 law concerning immigration visas as ‘countries of concern.'” But why didn’t CNN note that the seven countries were not named and that in fact they are only on the list because of Obama’s policy?
Because mainstream media has been purposely lying ... They want to blame Trump for a “Muslim ban” because they were ready with that script since last year.
And indeed Trump has enacted a harsh executive order cracking down on visitors from these countries (particularly Syrians), but his crackdown only includes those seven countries because of Obama’s policy. Trump’s decision to go beyond the policy and increase the Obama policy harms refugees, but it only increases an existing discriminatory policy, it doesn’t invent it. Reading media reports you would never know that. Most disingenuous, truly bordering on fake news, are the reports that claimed the seven countries were connected to Trump business interests, as if Obama’s DHS picked them because of Trump?
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 28, 2017 10:34:30 PM | 31
@ Peter AU
You're right, apparently none of the seven countries are specifically named
Epic – Is Team Trump Baiting Liberal Media and Refugee Protesters By Using Obama’s Own Policy?…
"If you review the actual text of the executive order (copied below in full) what you will immediately notice is the order doesn’t specify ANY countries to be included in the Visa suspension (Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen)."
Posted by: SR6719 | Jan 28, 2017 10:35:55 PM | 32
@15, Trying to blame the civil war and destabilization of Syria on the drought is utterly ludicrous. California had a similarly severe drought, the worst on record, but hasn't dissolved into conflict and warfare. There are many more examples: Spain, Australia, Northern India, Northern China, Southeast Brazil - and yes, Syria.
As far as Assad's response, by Jan 2011 he was acknowledging the need for reforms - quite unlike the Saudis and Bahrainis, who cracked down on their protesters with tanks and the active support of Hillary Clinton, as the Clinton wikileaks files show.

DAMASCUS—Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, who inherited a regime that has held power for four decades, said he will push for more political reforms in his country, in a sign of how Egypt's violent revolt is forcing leaders across the region to rethink their approaches. . . Mr. Assad said he would push through political reforms this year aimed at initiating municipal elections, granting more power to nongovernmental organizations and establishing a new media law. - WSJ Jan 2011
The U.S. was already secretly backing Syrian rebel groups by that time, as this story shows:
Syrian authorities “would undoubtedly view any U.S. funds going to illegal political groups as tantamount to supporting regime change,” read an April 2009 cable signed by the top-ranking U.S. diplomat in Damascus at the time. “A reassessment of current U.S.-sponsored programming that supports anti-[government] factions, both inside and outside Syria, may prove productive,” the cable said.
If the covert regime change effort hadn't been in place, do you really think the drought would have caused this?
Posted by: nonsense factory | Jan 28, 2017 10:49:42 PM | 33
Trump is not suspending visas from countries his team selected, they are simply suspending visa approval from countries President Obama selected. Additionally, Trump is suspending ALL visa applications from those countries – nothing to do with Muslim applications. • In 2013 President Obama suspended refugees from Iraq for six months.
• In 2015 Congress passed, and Obama signed, a law restricting visas from states of concern;
• In 2016 Obama’s DHS, Jeh Johnson, expanded those restrictions.
... is taking the same action as Obama 2013, and applying Visa restrictions to the nation states Obama selected in 2015 and 2016.
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 28, 2017 10:51:55 PM | 34
When the Saudis are on the list, maybe, we'll have some fire to go with the smoke. Until then, BFD.
Posted by: ben | Jan 28, 2017 10:53:01 PM | 35
Sorry, but Louis Proyect@6 is basically right.
Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 28, 2017 6:11:07 PM | 15
#'s 21 and 22 have adequately answered this nonsense. We all know that the neoliberal reforms Assad instituted and the drought exasperated social tensions inside Syria. These tensions were exploited by the Muslim Brotherhood and their sponsors to create the catastrophic war. Before the Syrian "Arab Spring" I was no fan of Bashaar Assad and that has not really changed. However, soon after it was clear that Syria was in the cross hairs of western imperialism and were using the jihadi terrorists as their mercenary army. At that point any self respecting person on the progressive left had no choice but to support the Syrian people in their struggle against foreign aggression'.
Paveway IV, this raises an interesting question about you. You sound like some kind of lefty, anti-imperialist type. Have you been infected with the Trotskid disease?

Posted by: ToivoS | Jan 28, 2017 11:42:26 PM | 36
TS @ 36 said: "However, soon after it was clear that Syria was in the cross hairs of western imperialism and were using the jihadi terrorists as their mercenary army. At that point any self respecting person on the progressive left had no choice but to support the Syrian people in their struggle against foreign aggression'."
Yes! For those posters then, b made it very clear to all, that foreign aggression was the problem.
Posted by: ben | Jan 28, 2017 11:58:22 PM | 37
hey b - thanks for this update!
@12 debsisdead.. that is real irony isn't it? headchopper country - saudi arabia and qatar - welcome to the usa!!! if you are shia from iran or whatever and not into headchopping - the usa doesn't want you.. funny how israel is on side with this ideology as well.. something very fishy and right on the surface for anyone with 1/2 a brain to see very quickly.. ditto @19 bens comment to you.. your comment @26 also needs to be heard more widely.. i can't believe this stupidity called usa foreign policy..has to be intentionally meant to be ugly. i see no other possibility..
@15 paveway.. i think the kleptomaniacs in syria would be hard pressed to be in a race with the ones running the usa or israel... everyone has issues with water and the availability of it.. it doesn't help all the dam projects that turkey is responsible for on the euphrates either.. i wouldn't be agreeing with yuk yuk or anything.. the guy is a first rate reject who is only selective in his choice of kleptomaniacs he would like to see in power... essentially reading down the comments, i am more in agreement with @20 jackrabbit, @21 petri,@ 33 nonsense factory and etc..
@16 petri.. i hope that happens..
@23 virgile.. i hope you are correct in the analysis..

@30 peter au... thanks.. ttg @sst's site on this.. it is the same as i said to debsisdead - iran on the list and saudi arabia is off.. up is down and down is up in usa orwellian foreign policy.. some things don't change..
Posted by: james | Jan 28, 2017 11:59:48 PM | 38
Après Washington et Londres, Berlin change de politique étrangère

Chancellor Angela Merkel has swapped her Minister of Economics, Sigmar Gabriel, to the German Foreign Ministry. Mr. Gabriel is a former trade unionist known for his criticism of the US imperial policy of George W. Bush and Barack Obama. In particular, he advocated against the colonization of Afghanistan.
He strongly criticized the apartheid implemented by the Netanyahu government vis-à-vis the Palestinians.
He was the first Western leader to go to Iran after the signing of the 5 + 1 agreement.
He called for a solution to the Ukrainian conflict respecting the population of Donbass and Russian interests in the Crimea and called for the lifting of sanctions against Russia.
Concerning the conflict in Syria, he denounced the financing of Islamic terrorism by Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: ProPeace | Jan 28, 2017 11:59:51 PM | 39
This is ALL on Trump! He was free to subtract or add whatever country he wanted; as he has no problem cancelling previous policy through executive order. The buck stops with him; no one twisted his arm. He knows exactly what he’s doing. If he’s playing political games with people’s lives then he’s even more sick than he’s demonstrated already.
Trump is using a fake AQ and ISIS excuse to ban Muslims from Syria, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen because he knows that those countries are in a dire situation mostly because of U.S. policy, and the people there are fleeing in desperation. All through the campaign he demonized Muslim refugees smearing them with the ISIS brush.
Basically, he’s resorting to the terrorism justifies all manner of injustice, deception and repression excuse straight out of the Neocon playbook.
So let’s see: first he excuses the biggest sponsor of Wahhabi terrorism, Saudi Arabia. Then he probably checked his rolodex and excused every country where he has business partners, interests and holdings. Then he excused Pakistan, a Salafist haven; the country that harboured Bin-Laden and AQ in Waziristan.
In other words, AQ/ISIS is Trump’s blanket excuse for Muslim discrimination but these terrorist groups are not the ones being targeted as usual. So the U.S. completely destroys countries like Iraq, Syria, Libya and Yemen with the help of Israel and the Saudis and then it’s okay for Trump to slam the door on the people whose lives were devastated and are left with nothing and to separate families that already suffered so much.
So Iraq with the help of Iran are paying a big price helping to decimate ISIS, but instead of showing gratitude, Trump punishes their people; so this proves ISIS is not the real target. Iran that suffered years of crippling financial tyranny, but is a resilient and technically-advanced country with unlimited potential is once again targeted only because it’s on Israel’s hit list and there’s nothing Trump won’t do for Zionists.
Then he picks on Yemen, a dirt poor country, pounded relentlessly by the Saudis with U.S. support experiencing the worst famine in modern history ignored by the media and Hollywood.
Somalia also suffering poverty, drought and famine is on the list as well. However, Salafist and Wahhabi terrorists and their sponsors can rest easy; cause they have a protector and friend in Trump and Trump can always count on you to defend the indefensible time and time again!
Posted by: Circe | Jan 29, 2017 12:02:54 AM | 40
SR6719 | Jan 28, 2017 10:35:55 PM | 32
As yet the new admin department of state is not fully up and running, new heads for intel and military just moving in.
This 90 day executive order based on old admin assessments/laws, is just for the interim until the new admin is up to speed. Just my guess. Seems we have to wait and watch for the first 100 days or so before we can see which way the Trump government is heading.
Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 29, 2017 12:04:45 AM | 41
james | Jan 28, 2017 11:59:48 PM | 38
Wait and watch on this one. See my post @41. A few negatives (includes possible negatives) and a few positives for Trump so far.
Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 29, 2017 12:13:07 AM | 42
ToivoS | Jan 28, 2017 11:42:26 PM | 36
Paveway IV, this raises an interesting question about you. You sound like some kind of lefty, anti-imperialist type. Have you been infected with the Trotskid disease?
I do not agree with Paveway's assessment either, but it raises no questions about Paveway.
If you have not been reading Paveway's posts for any period of time, your post may be excusable, but if you have been reading Paveway's previous post's then this raises questions about yourself.
Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 29, 2017 12:19:56 AM | 43
Circe @ 40: Damn, nice rant.
We'll all wait and watch. Saudi Arabia is the litmus test. All the non-aligned posters here know this to be true.
Posted by: ben | Jan 29, 2017 12:42:19 AM | 44
@42 peter.. thanks! i agree with you @43 as well..
Posted by: james | Jan 29, 2017 12:51:43 AM | 45
@ Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 29, 2017 12:04:45 AM | 41
The Trump faction has artfully continued through the first week to play the MSM, vanguard of the anti-Trump faction, like a fiddle.
The MSM has constantly been caught out seeking to set the 'frame' of discourse with slanted mis-reporting, as usual, full of omissions and lack of context. The result is 'delivering in spades' for the Trump faction base and undermining even further the credibility of the MSM. This last week is a further refinement of the strategy that enabled Trumps election/s win, and the MSM appears to have learnt no lessons from the nomination period nor the actual campaign, re identity politics, etc, whatsoever.
Trump may be many distasteful things, however, he is clearly no-ones fool, and to believe so plays directly into his faction re underestimation. The Trump has been playing his part as a court jester to the MSM as well as a foil to his appointments/staff to a tee. Beginning to doubt his 'faux pas', outrageous statements, are as spontaneous, 'off the cuff', all the time, as they are portrayed/believed ... ie. Torture/Waterboarding, 'Mattis & Pompeo are 100% opposed, so that's decided then.'
Time will tell ...
The Trump faction undoubtedly has a questionable mixed bag of policies (Climate Change/Oil/Energy/Renewables/Wall, etc), certainly, however am surprised by the emotive(?), conditioned(?) reactions the MSM manipulative narrative triggers. Very surprised ...
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 29, 2017 12:53:05 AM | 46
ot - fb ali shared this 1:05 video on sst.. it's good.. - Andrew Bacevich ─ America's War for the Greater Middle East: A Military History.
Posted by: james | Jan 29, 2017 12:54:28 AM | 47
"The "moderates" left now can only join al-Qaeda, make peace with the Syrian government and its allies or flee the country to survive."
It would be interesting to see how many fighters Russia has taken off the battle field through its ceasefires and other diplomacy, knee jerkers tend to knee themselves in the chin over these. The Sultan pulled a lot out of Aleppo to break up the US Rojava and now Erdo's headchoppers are fighting ISIS headchoppers. And then there are the many Syrian militant groups that have surrendered in return for amnesty (A Russian initiative?).
Russia threw down the gauntlet to Obama and his regime change operations at the 2015 UNGA. Since then, Russia, in line with international law have been bombing the crap out of Obama's proxies, UN designated terrorist groups and those groups that aid them.
Now the Trump admin. A big unknown. Another month or two and I guess we see will where Trump is headed.

Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 29, 2017 1:12:35 AM | 48
So Trump's choice of states to ban somehow becomes Obama's fault? Sorry, I meant Obomber. Give me a chance, I'll get up to speed.
We all know what a no-good son of a whore that Obomba was. He was the guy who restrained from voting on the latest UN motion against Israel and their settlements. It sent a clear message that appropriating more land for settlements was wrong. Can you believe that?? What a dick.
Not to worry,trump's fixed it. There's something like 3,000 new building permits being handed out. That's good, Right?
Then there's all the other fucked up executive orders, a real breath of fresh air. We knew he could do it. It may take some real brainstorming, like only the posters on this board are capable of, to see through the fog and realize just how smart he really is. He's gonna save Syria.
And your arse is a star.
Posted by: peter | Jan 29, 2017 1:16:41 AM | 49
peter - you can always blame putin - which seems to be your default position on most of the moa threads i have read your comments... continue, lol..
Posted by: james | Jan 29, 2017 1:22:55 AM | 50
Nope, I'm a big Putin fan.
But Trump is stupid and dangerous and it irks me to see the adulation he gets. Somehow he's a threat to the deep state? He is the deep state ffs.
Posted by: peter | Jan 29, 2017 1:45:33 AM | 51
As someone who tries to only care about ordinary human beings I will always get pissed at a fucking supercilious ass wipe who, even if it be through laziness or ineptitude pulls a stroke which fucks over a bunch of ordinary human beings. I double down on my dislike in situations such as this 'muslim ban' where it is obvious the lazy/incompetent toerag is screwing over humans purely for the sake of political pointscoring.
There is no excuse for that type of behaviour, it is the tipping point where populism becomes hubristic bullying and there is very little worse than that shit.
A bunch of young people who are already doomed to live a life much worse than the one most of us old farts enjoyed, have just had the rug pulled out from under them - for what? So the trumpet can do his "see my virtual dick is bigger than CNN's virtual dick" act? Fuck that shit it stinks and there can never by a justification for it, especially given that places that do actually export terrorists have been left off the list.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 29, 2017 2:18:36 AM | 52
@ Debsisdead about virtual dick size.....I agree. Fucking with people makes Donald's dick grow....it is part of his gold-spoon-up-his-ass upbringing hurt.
Out of the frying pan and into the f......urnace. Hopefully the fall of America will be over quickly.....but not likely given recent US Treasury sales to foreign countries.
I agree with wanting to break the neocon president mold but believe that the alternative will be much worse for a period....the Trump period....the true height of male bullying politics by the global plutocrats.....but we need to give him another few weeks/months to fully bloom his inhumanity and pettyness.
The Fake News is that the Western way is thought of as "civilization".....as this posting also illustrates.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 29, 2017 2:58:35 AM | 53
Debsisdead | Jan 29, 2017 2:18:36 AM | 52
When the boat people were coming out from Vietnam, my children where young and it changed my view on refugees. I thought of what it would be like to be in a position where I took my family on a very risky journey to hopefully start a new life in a new country.
Although my views on refugees have not changed since that time, I also recognise that many of these refugees are also traitors to their country. The Vietnamese refugees where those that backed the French, then the US occupation of their country.
Same elsewhere.
This current post from SST by TTG..."Within 24 hours of this executive order, at least two Iraqis who worked with American Forces during our war in Iraq have been denied entry into the United States. One was an interpreter with the 101st for ten years. He and his family have been threatened with death for his loyal service. This situation offends me personally as a retired Army officer. It is an affront to the honor of this country and our Armed Forces."
As far as I am concerned the Iraqi was a traitor who worked with the forces that were occupying his country.
The young people that run off from Syria to Turkey, Europe ect, all traitors to their country. Many refugees from US full spectrum dominance operations seem to run off to the countries that are attacking their countries.
Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 29, 2017 3:00:03 AM | 54
Outraged | Jan 29, 2017 12:53:05 AM | 466
Trump appears to be a thinker/strategist. Similar to Putin. Time will tell.
Some time ago, I commented at another blog that Trump may well turn out the alfa male in the shark tank that is US politics.
Posted by: Peter AU | Jan 29, 2017 3:03:50 AM | 55
@Peter AU | Jan 29, 2017 1:12:35 AM | 48
Now the Trump admin. A big unknown. Another month or two and I guess we see will where Trump is headed.
Sorrie, you are a slow learner to grasp what going on, another month or two will be over. Trump objectives’ oil, oil, oil and more fucking oils. He's using Syria as baits to show Putin he's a serious player and nag Putin to cross the blue line. Promises equal with respect to the chess Grandmaster - immediately western oil’s companies to explore Russia unexplored territories and restart drilling by Exxon Mobil Corporation abandoned one-billion investments when Obomo imposed sanction earlier.
Trump doesn't need NATO, EU or Merkel permission to recant previous sanctions. All Trump needs executive order with a stroke of a pen. Crimea, Ukraine? Blah peanuts! Think of the billion and billions his pals will pockets even before his first term end.
Have you counts how many executive orders he had signed since January 10? Have you notice his popularity votes surged? He had even able to build the wall he promised and fuck that Hispanic across the border and executive order again! Immigration Ban to Include Green-Card Holders & Dual-Nationalities?
While the NeoLiberals' foot soldiers protest, Trump's sheeple are applauding - Trump the man, will bring changes in just 8-days after that black warmonger handed him the keys. While that black president signed more executive orders than the last two previous presidents combine. Trump will beat all presidents' combines since George Washingmachine even before he completed his first terms in office.
Truly Trump will be one of the best presidents since George Washingmachine. He deserved a Nobel pizza pie.

Posted by: OSJ | Jan 29, 2017 3:30:11 AM | 56
Mexico censures Israeli support for US border wall

In a tweet on Saturday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin expressed support for US President Donald Trump’s plan, saying a similar barrier built by Tel Aviv along the Egyptian border “stopped all illegal immigration. Great success. Great idea.”   Irked by the Twitter post, Mexico’s Foreign Ministry released a statement later in the day, saying it had expressed to Tel Aviv via the regime’s ambassador to Mexico City “its profound astonishment, rejection and disappointment over Prime Minister Netanyahu’s message.”
Meanwhile, the Central Committee of the Jewish Community in Mexico also issued a statement and “forcefully rejected” Netanyahu’s message.
“As Mexicans and Jews, we support the actions taken by President Enrique Pena Nieto in negotiations with the US,” the statement said.

the statement by mexican jews is excellent. just as it was necessary to separate the sheep from the goats in syria - the 'moderates' from the takfiri headchoppers - so to is it necessary to separate the jews from the zionists, not only in mexico but worldwide.
Posted by: jfl | Jan 29, 2017 3:43:11 AM | 57

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