The working classes in the West have learned to bargain with the geopolitical enemy of their own "internal" class enemy which is their "nation" or the wider Western coalition or sub-coalition to which that "nation" belongs.
Be careful non-western leftists and non-western working classes, don't get caught in any wrong bargaining scales.
Your wild-centrist friend, also a worker, but disgusted.
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I have experienced how a Western working class, the Greek working class, saw in front of their eyes some selling a hunted leader of a hunted non-Western nation, Ocalan (I am not judging the ideological profile of this person now), I saw how they "protested" Greek workers and leftists, relieved that the bourgeois leadership did the dirty work of selling him like a calf in a dirty meat market, all this "for peace" the bread, the guaranteed pension (I'm supporter, but..), and since then I do NOT believe anything, anyone, in the western working class, every its "struggle" move seems to me a bargain with anyone for it self, its over-loved self. I might be exaggerating, I don't know.
Your wild-centrist, suspicious friend.
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A direct shot at the worker's pole of the class struggle in the hardcoreWest:
You are the descendants of Gracchus, Robespierre and Babeuf, not Spartacus, you are the plebeians of Rome, I know you well, and please..don't go and blame the Caesar's leadership, Napoleon, Louis Bonaparte, so-and-so, who does the dirty work for you.
The plebeian party is that produced Caesar, no the aristocrats, and you know this well and the western "aristocratic elites" ironically threw it at you, but somewhere there there is a point of truth.
Finally look at yourself, to convince me a volcano must erupt.
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Post-Orientalist Fantasy:
I am Damascius, disgusted with the plebeians and hunted by the Christian Caesar, and I want to find refuge in the court of the proletarian Chosroes.
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Ιωάννης Τζανάκος
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Ιωάννης Τζανάκος
No matter what you do, you're not saving it, dear.
You have fallen into the abyss of the sophisticated justification of Eastern imperialism, and you will never get out of it if you don't openly support the struggle of those who fight the conqueror torturer rapist.
It takes guts to overcome the sanctimonious anti-Western a priori, and few have that guts.
Nice try, sure, but it wouldn't take me long time to crush it, though as an effort it's more serious than others like it.
Your wild-centrist friend, comrades.
طبقه کارگر نباید خود را به تبلیغاتچی و گوشت دم توپ بحرانها و جنگهای نیابتی و یا مستقیم بورژوازی خودی تبدیل کند!
اینکه امپریالیسم چین در ظاهر هم شده واسطه ای برای کمتر کردن تنش میان شرق و غرب و رژیم‌های فاشیستی خاور میانه مانند رژیم حاکم بر ایران و حجاز و کشورهای خلیج شده، بنظر من همین ظاهر هم باعث خواهد شد که امپریالیستها و اقمار آنها را تا اندازه ای از رویارویی های نظامی بویژه در خاورمیانه دور نگهدارد و این یعنی طبقه کارگر خاورمیانه حد اقل در بحران بین رژیم فاشیست ایران و حکام فاشیست خلیج کمتر قربانی و گوشت دم توپ رویارویی های مستقیم نظامی خواهد شد.
کمتر شدن تنش ها میان امپریالیست ها و اقمار آنها در سراسر جهان به سود طبقه کارگر جهان و صلح جهانی حتی زیر سلطه نئولیبرالیسم و شرکا و کارگزاران منطقه ای آنها نیز خواهد بود.
در رابطه با بحران روسیه و امریکا در اروپای شرقی و کانون آن در اکراین نیز همین طور است. چین می تواند با همکاری سران اصلی اتحادیه اروپا به خواباندن بحران یا حداقل مدیریت و کنترل آن جهت جلو گیری از یک جنگ هسته ای بدون طرف پیروز نقشی کلیدی داشته باشد به شرطی که اتحادیه اروپا سیاستی واقعبینانه و مستقل از زیاده خواهی ها و قلدری و جنگ افروزی های امریکا بعنوان همه کاره ناتو دنبال کند.
بنظر من پیام اصلی پنهان و آشکار شی جین پینگ، کدخدای امپریالیسم چین در سفر اخیر به مسکو، قبل از اینکه میانجیگری در بحران اروپای شرقی و شمالی و اکراین باشد چراغ سبز اعلام پشتیبانی قاطع از پوتین در صورت گوش ندادن سران اتحادیه اروپا به بسته های سازش “آبرومندانه” با روسیه از طرف چین است. کل اروپا امروز در واقع قربانی موجودیت پیمان ناتو و توسعه طلبی های سیری ناپذیر و جنگ افروزی ها و بحران آفرینی های جهانی بی پایان آن است. پیمان ناتویی که همه کاره اصلی آن عملا روسای کمپانی های سیاسی و اقتصادی و نظامی امریکاست.
طبقه کارگر ایران و عربستان و شرق و غرب باید سیاستهای مستقل و طبقاتی و جهانی و منطقه ای خودش را علیه جنگ افروزی ها و بحران آفرینی ها و شرارت های بورژوازی خودی و جهانی دنبال کند. طبقه کارگر نباید در هیچ کشوری و در هیچ گوشه ای از جهان خودش را به سرباز تبلیغاتی و یا نیروی نظامی برای پر کردن جبهه جنگهای مستقیم یا نیابتی در سوریه و یمن و اکراین و … تبدیل کند.
بنظر من وظیفه طبقاتی و انسانی کارگران و مردم آزادیخواه و برابریطلب در کردستان و ایران و هر کشور دیگری از جهان در وحله اول مبارزه با فاشیسم بورژوازی خودی برای به گور سپردن آن و به قدرت رساندن حکومت های کارگری و شوراهای سوسیالیستی کارگری باشد. طبقه کارگر ایران و عربستان و سوریه و اکراین و غرب و شرق در عین حال نباید از اتحاد و همکاری و پشتیبانی جهانی همدیگر در راه مبارزات مشترک خود برای ساقط کردن فاشیستهای داخلی در کشورهای های خودشان لحظه ای غافل بمانند!
- آلان رضاییFrom the point of view of the communism interests of the working class, both Western and Eastern imperialists are aggressors. For us, the working class and the communism of this class, it is not important which imperialist started the aggression first and which one did the second. The important thing is that both are aggressors. Both the aggression against the working class insider and the working class imperialism on the other side of the fight.
آلان رضایی
The
communists are always against both poles of the bourgeois and
imperialist wars against the interests of the working class. They have
never turned themselves into gunners and propagandists and cannon fodder
for the imperialist wars.
آلان رضایی So let's get started.
1st.
The fact that the communists never became propagandists or supporters
of a so-called bipolar intra-imperialist war, being themselves in
alliance with one pole, has not been true since the second world war,
where all the communists except few of the ultra-leftists (also the
Trotskyist organizations in the vast majority of them supported the
allies) supported the Allies against the fascist Axis of Italy, Germany
and Japan. At first, even Stalin tried to stay out of the frame with a
simultaneous unacceptable tilt rather to join the axis (aggrement with
the Nazis, of a non-tactical nature, since the Soviets and the Nazis
later divided the unfortunate Poland) but eventually joined the liberal
imperialist world against the axis.
The
reproduction of an a priori and always, a priori, equal revolutionary
distance from...and conflict with both poles, as there was on the part
of the revolutionary forces in the 1st world war, was partially undone.
It was not completely abolished as a general principle but it was put
into possible partial repeal depending on what each pole is on a
case-by-case basis and political ideological content.
2nd
Indeed, it is not so much or exclusively important who the aggressor
is, but what each individual factor is in the current world conflict,
and at this moment Eastern imperialism is consistently a supporter of
the darkest reactionary ideological and statist tendencies among the
world bourgeoisie:
a.
pursuit not only of interventions with a dissolving chaotic geopolitical
and economic goal (export of capital, through spheres of influence,
etc.) but restoring the logic of territorial integrations of weak or
competitive states, just as the Nazis operated.
The
Russians especially copy them exactly, while China steals maritime
sovereign rights from Vietnam, while of course already, in its supposed
communist past, it has swallowed Tibet, while of course committing
genocide, insidious and seemingly mild, against the Uyghurs within its
territory.
The West
after the second world, even in its most violent fascist moments, never
reached in the magnitude and intensity of its fascist criminality at
this point that the East imperialism are now reaching. Continue in other
comment.
Ιωάννης Τζανάκος
آلان رضایی
3rd. The perennial imperialist policy of the Russian (and Soviet)
empire towards neighboring nations has created an inevitable inclination
of these societies towards the Western imperialist alliance, and this
is quite logical on their part. There is no people neighboring Russia
that does not hate this ever-expanding militarist state, so it is not
NATO or the evil West that seduces these peoples to make them
instruments of attack against Russia, it is Russia that with its
timeless aggression makes the pro-Western tendency of these peoples a
one-way street. The fact that NATO is taking advantage of this situation
is solely the result of Russian imperialist brutality. In any case, ask
the people themselves, especially the leftists in these countries, but
not the pro-Russian pseudo-communist collaborators, about all this. None
of you asked them, and since the Iranian rightists support Ukraine,
that's enough for you.
آلان رضایی
4th I have left for last the role of the ideological-value factor which
you hard-line Marxists usually see as an effect and not a cause. I
respect that but I disagree.
In
any case, why don't you see the institutionalization of reactionary
ideology in the new imperialist east? Traditionalism, patriarchy, sexism
as principles of the state.
Also
in the West there are these, strong, but in the new east they tend to
dominate as an institutionalized aggressive state ideology. It is not
the fault of the people, it is a strategic choice of the new eastern
imperialist states to structure their sovereignty through this
ideological cement.
Finally, regardless of the above:
I love your movement and have my own personal preference for the Kurdish people since my teenage years.
See
all of this as a contribution from a devil's advocate perspective, for
goodness sake. Maybe I'm wrong, but whoever loves makes it difficult for
their friend.
Ιωάννης Τζανάκος
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